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Post by Catherine on Mar 5, 2012 7:20:11 GMT
Roadworm....you seem to be the man in 'the know'...I am sure I heard Alex Jnr say that his Grandad buried all THREE of his sons. Obviously I knew about Alex and Les but who was the other ?....Does the name 'James' ring a bell as I thought that Alex Jnr may have said that 
At the People's Palace on Feb 18, when Alex kindly agreed to join in with the series "Talk o' the Steamie" run by the Palace to tie in with their current exhibit, he did indeed say that his Grandparents had buried all three of their sons. The one you're asking about, sadly, died while he was just a young child, I don't believe Alex jnr mentioned his name, sorry I don't know what the boy's name was. |
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Post by Sahbotage on Mar 5, 2012 9:59:27 GMT
The German (First) Issue of 'I Just Wanna Make Love To You' b/w 'Let The Good Times Roll' - I have always wondered how Alex got the writing credit for '..Make Love...' It's an old Willie Dixon song isn't it? Yes you're right, Willie Dixon wrote the song Keith Richards is quoted as saying that the SAHB version on Framed is the best version he ever heard. Thanks for you're continued efforts on behalf of Roadworm, I hope he knows how much his collection is appreciated. |
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Post by billybolero on Mar 5, 2012 10:45:41 GMT
Thanks for your reply Catherine, appreciated!
Hi Sahbotage, how do you know Keith Richards said that the SAHB version of 'Framed' was the best he heard ? I couldn't find any quotes online. I always think not enough famous rock stars ever mention Harvey when he clearly was the 'BEST'! Apparently Bowie shared a flat with him, Eric Burdon tried to get Les into the Animals and I know Johnny Rotten was a fan but I have never heard Stones or Beatles etc give any credit...
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Post by chesterthecat77 on Mar 5, 2012 16:11:02 GMT
Hi SAHBotage,
For someone like Keef with his collection of old blues records to say SAHB did the best version of '...Make Love...' , well...that's some accolade!
And BillyBolero,
I have never heard of or seen a referance to Alex made by The Beatles, but John & Paul were huge soul fans, collecting Motown in particular...So maybe Alex' debut found it's way to them. It's likely that he worked for the same people The Beatles did in Germany too i suppose.
Alex' house in London is said to have played host to many rising stars...Maybe Bowie was one...Bowie made it big with The Spiders and Alex made it big with SAHB...There's a lesson in that somewhere.
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Post by billybolero on Mar 5, 2012 20:14:38 GMT
May I ask a slightly crass question. I have always wondered if Alex made any money out of the music biz? I know he never sold THAT many singles/albums but obviously did a lot of live gigs that sold well but was he screwed or did he earn well?
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Post by chesterthecat77 on Mar 5, 2012 20:41:56 GMT
Rumour has it he and the group were screwed over more than once.
Being the biggest touring band in the 1970's should have paid well.....but by the late 80's Zal was working as a taxi driver...He might have just wanted a change though!!!
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Post by billybolero on Mar 5, 2012 21:54:41 GMT
There was a figure printed in a newspaper claiming that Harvey made the equivalent of £11m (in today's money I think) but I cannot see how that is possible as they weren't anywhere near as famous as they should have been.
I wonder why they were screwed over if their manager Bill Fehilly was Alex's best friend ?
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Post by Ginnie on Mar 5, 2012 23:52:30 GMT
Thanks for your reply Catherine, appreciated! Hi Sahbotage, how do you know Keith Richards said that the SAHB version of 'Framed' was the best he heard ? I couldn't find any quotes online. I always think not enough famous rock stars ever mention Harvey when he clearly was the 'BEST'! Apparently Bowie shared a flat with him, Eric Burdon tried to get Les into the Animals and I know Johnny Rotten was a fan but I have never heard Stones or Beatles etc give any credit... ... and of course Bon Scott also! |
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Post by chesterthecat77 on Mar 6, 2012 0:26:11 GMT
There was a figure printed in a newspaper claiming that Harvey made the equivalent of £11m (in today's money I think) but I cannot see how that is possible as they weren't anywhere near as famous as they should have been. I wonder why they were screwed over if their manager Bill Fehilly was Alex's best friend ? I don't know for a fact they were screwed over - It's just a rumour that has floated around. I don't think Bill would have had full say in payments anyway...Normally there are about 20 people between a band and their manager. The Beatles thought the world of Brian Epstein...but they were done out of millions too. It's all the middlemen that take the cash...Buggers!!! |
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Post by Catherine on Mar 6, 2012 7:51:14 GMT
Record sales weren't particularly the way to make money, if you were a band like SAHB - touring and live shows, bums on seats, was the recognised way, at the time, to secure an income.
However, touring doesn't come cheap; every car that picked up the band at an airport, every American breakfast every fancy costume and every little thing involved in getting and keeping the show on the road has to be paid for - and just hazard a guess at whose money was doing the paying. Then there's the self employed tax racket - based on last year, pay up front X thousands for next year. Bill Fehilly was the best thing ever to happen to SAHB but he was a businessman when all's said and done. Not that he ripped them off, Chester's right, there are endless middle men and Bill cut them right down. He gave the guys great counselling and advise based on his experience - Chris bought his first house because Bill advised him to use his money wisely and invest in something that would always be there.They were so very young at the outset - hardly old at the end - they just kept on doing what they did best, thrilliing and delighting sell out gigs but you can rest assured others made money on the back of that but the band did ok too. You cut your coat acording to your cloth and I guess they did a bit of that too. After Bill, they never really trusted any management but, as became clear in later years, although they knew the pitfalls and things and people to avoid, they were not cut out to manage themselves as a band either. Same old sad old tale. Memory tells me, that, in the end, it was the tax man that went after what they had left. Since then, with Youtube and bootlegs and all, they still get shafted, endless plays and hits of their music and performances - but the band gets hee haw.
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Post by chesterthecat77 on Mar 6, 2012 9:40:37 GMT
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Post by Sahbotage on Mar 6, 2012 10:37:10 GMT
Hi Sahbotage, how do you know Keith Richards said that the SAHB version of 'Framed' was the best he heard ? I couldn't find any quotes online. I always think not enough famous rock stars ever mention Harvey when he clearly was the 'BEST'! Apparently Bowie shared a flat with him, Eric Burdon tried to get Les into the Animals and I know Johnny Rotten was a fan but I have never heard Stones or Beatles etc give any credit... Hello billybolero, Ronnie Wood (he of the faces & the Stones) told me, so I guess it was from a conversation he had with Keef rather than an actual printed quote. |
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Post by Sahbotage on Mar 6, 2012 11:01:04 GMT
Record sales weren't particularly the way to make money, if you were a band like SAHB - touring and live shows, bums on seats, was the recognised way, at the time, to secure an income. However, touring doesn't come cheap; every car that picked up the band at an airport, every American breakfast every fancy costume and every little thing involved in getting and keeping the show on the road has to be paid for - and just hazard a guess at whose money was doing the paying. Then there's the self employed tax racket - based on last year, pay up front X thousands for next year. Bill Fehilly was the best thing ever to happen to SAHB but he was a businessman when all's said and done. Not that he ripped them off, Chester's right, there are endless middle men and Bill cut them right down. He gave the guys great counselling and advise based on his experience - Chris bought his first house because Bill advised him to use his money wisely and invest in something that would always be there.They were so very young at the outset - hardly old at the end - they just kept on doing what they did best, thrilliing and delighting sell out gigs but you can rest assured others made money on the back of that but the band did ok too. You cut your coat acording to your cloth and I guess they did a bit of that too. After Bill, they never really trusted any management but, as became clear in later years, although they knew the pitfalls and things and people to avoid, they were not cut out to manage themselves as a band either. Same old sad old tale. Memory tells me, that, in the end, it was the tax man that went after what they had left. Since then, with Youtube and bootlegs and all, they still get shafted, endless plays and hits of their music and performances - but the band gets hee haw. I'm afraid that the music industry will never clean up it's act, bands are booked for gigs on either a set fee or a door split, the door split is full of pitfalls, "not enough tickets were sold, so we can only give you this amount" and unless you have someone from the band on the door counting heads, you have very little argument, set fees are also reduced dramatically if attendance figures aren't what was expected, or the take at the bar is low, bands will be screwed over by whatever means, particularly on the small circuits, one of the bands I was in would refuse to go on stage until they had the agreed fee paid in cash upfront, we had the "muscle" to deal with any circumstance, however, you shouldn't have to resort to those methods to get results, also, word gets around that you're "difficult" and no one wants to book you. A tough manager is an asset, take Peter Grant from Led Zeppelin, he had no qualms about using his fists to negotiate, and Zep could sell out any stadium but still promoters tried to shaft them. |
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Post by chesterthecat77 on Mar 6, 2012 12:31:27 GMT
Someone i admire a lot is Ginger (From The Wildhearts) He has had a fair deal of crap from the business over the years...but has now embraced PledgeMusic.
PledgeMusic is the best idea i've seen for ages...An artist pitches their project in a video or letter...The people who like the idea pay for the finished product in advance - The money raised is used to pay for the project to be realised and the remainder is for the group. 10% goes to a charity of the artists choice. If not enough pledges are made the money is given back to those who did. Everyone is happy.
Here is a link to the Ginger ones PlegeMusic Project. -http://www.pledgemusic.com/projects/gingerwildheart
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Post by Catherine on Mar 9, 2012 8:04:40 GMT
May I ask a slightly crass question. I have always wondered if Alex made any money out of the music biz? I know he never sold THAT many singles/albums but obviously did a lot of live gigs that sold well but was he screwed or did he earn well?
Then there is one of my pet hates (from a band making money point of view) the guest list - sure, you can invite non ticket buying guests - it's your gig - too late did it become clear that the cost of those "free" tickets was deducted from the band's fee - no such thing as a free lunch, right enough.
Then there's the door split or fixed fee scenario........fee, obviously preferable - only payable in full if above a certain number of tickets was sold and a raft of other conditions...........it said, in the teeny tiny very very small print
Zal also remembers that Bill gave them all really sound, good personal advice, buy a house, set up a pension - all tax deductable - but as I said before and Zal agrees, Bill was a successful businessman before he met SAHB and was a businessman to the end. |
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Post by chesterthecat77 on Mar 14, 2012 2:08:01 GMT
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Post by chesterthecat77 on Mar 19, 2012 12:37:27 GMT
Hi Everyone,
I now have Roadworm's full collection of scans and am storing them in folders prior to uploading. There are at least 4 lever arch folders full...so you can imagine it might take a wee while. I will do some today.
Just to add to the earnings chat, i found an article where Alex said they were given an allowance of 7 pounds a week plus 3 for porn...This was 1976. (The band were upset because the porn allowance was being cancelled) I'll try to find it again and share later.
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