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Post by Ginnie on Nov 25, 2009 22:06:33 GMT
ZM got me thinking about this after reading his Tubes comment...
This is not as simple as it seems...
Have you ever heard music that WHEN IT CAME OUT seemed to go into a new direction from what was heard before or expanded the boundaries of rock so much that it wowed you?
Sometimes music is only "ahead of its time" for a few months (like the Beatles) or a few years (Velvet Underground pre-dating punk/goth)....
Its funny that Sgt. Peppers's was ahead of its time but was probably dated within a year - psychedelia did not have a long lifespan.
And I not talking about music that "sounds just as good today" or that sounds like it could have just come out today.
Thoughts?
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Post by Ginnie on Nov 25, 2009 22:14:53 GMT
I'll start off with Roxy Music's first album.
Right from the opening track this is different. I know its seen as a glam record but it really isn't - the glam was the show, not the music in Roxy Music.
Here is the track listing:
Side One
1. "Re-Make/Re-Model" – 5:14
2. "Ladytron" – 4:26
3. "If There Is Something" – 6:34
4. "Virginia Plain" – 2:58
Side Two
1. "The Bob (Medley)" – 5:48
2. "Chance Meeting" – 3:08
3. "Would You Believe?" – 3:53
4. "Sea Breezes" – 7:03
5. "Bitters End" – 2:03
A fantastic album from beginning to end, I find nothing else to compare it to anything recorded before. A fully mature masterpiece. Hearing Re-Make/Re-Model for the first time was a revelation at the time, with all musicians contributing equally. Great stuff by McKay and Eno's "effects". And no one had ever sung like Ferry.
I think if Iggy & the Stooges are seen as the premiere proto-punk band then Roxy Music must get credit as the proto-New Wave band, though their first three or four albums are superior to most of the New Wave that came later on.
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Post by zeeem on Nov 25, 2009 22:30:44 GMT
For me, probably QUEEN II, in 1974 - an almost insane leap in songwriting and playing skills from their debut. To my ears, that album provided the basic roadmap for their entire glorious career. From being derided as Led Zep copyists, Queen carved their own niche in one fell swoop with this album, to my ears.
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Post by platterpete on Nov 25, 2009 22:45:31 GMT
For me it has to be Demon's The Plague. I had never heard anything by them and then one Friday Rock Show Tommy Vance played a couple of tracks. I bought it the next day. when the dark menace of the opening riff blasted from my speakers, every hair on my body stood on end. It still happens today when I listen to that track at high volume. Quite honestly, it is one of the heaviest and most phenomenal songs ever written - easily as good as anything by renowned riffmasters Black Sabbath or Deep Purple. My worry when an album starts out with such a knockout track is that the only way may be down for the rest of the material; this is not the case with this album, which starts as it means to continue - with beautiful keyboard melodies, well-defined and original guitar riffs, and the soulful, majestic power of Dave Hill's voice.
It is a concept album and pretty diverse in places, very loud in the mix and a great lyric. The album came in a gatefold sleeve with booklet inside. I played it to death, in the end I had to buy 2 copies cos I'd worn it out. 3 if you include the picture disc (still unplayed)
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Post by Ginnie on Nov 25, 2009 23:06:49 GMT
For me, probably QUEEN II, in 1974 - an almost insane leap in songwriting and playing skills from their debut. To my ears, that album provided the basic roadmap for their entire glorious career. From being derided as Led Zep copyists, Queen carved their own niche in one fell swoop with this album, to my ears. I agree completely! I bought this as soon as it was released and I had never heard their first album yet... someone recently told me that Queen II was release in Canada before Queen I but I don't know for sure... The opening was great - it gave me shivers and it was only the start. Remember the "no synthesizers were used on this album" notice on the sleeve? I love it today still, but I find the recording really muddy which makes it hard for me to listen too. I wonder if a newer CD release has cleaned it up? And I'll list the tracks just to remind everyone what was on this album: * 1.1 Side White o 1.1.1 Procession o 1.1.2 Father to Son o 1.1.3 White Queen (As It Began) o 1.1.4 Some Day One Day o 1.1.5 The Loser in the End * 1.2 Side Black o 1.2.1 Ogre Battle o 1.2.2 The Fairy Feller's Master-Stroke o 1.2.3 Nevermore o 1.2.4 The March of the Black Queen o 1.2.5 Funny How Love Is o 1.2.6 Seven Seas of Rhye Some of it seems, well silly, I guess today with all the elf/ogre stuff but I still love it. I want to play it right now but ... I don't have it! Had it on vinyl. If someone can tell me if they've cleaned up the production I'd go out and buy it... like tomorrow. I just had to get their first album then. And I like it almost as much for its raunchiness. Then Sheer Heart Attack - surely another gem. A Night at the Opera? I know I enjoyed it back in the day but today I'd prefer to listen to either of their first three albums. |
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Post by Ginnie on Nov 25, 2009 23:10:21 GMT
For me it has to be Demon's The Plague. I had never heard anything by them and then one Friday Rock Show Tommy Vance played a couple of tracks. I bought it the next day. when the dark menace of the opening riff blasted from my speakers, every hair on my body stood on end. It still happens today when I listen to that track at high volume. Quite honestly, it is one of the heaviest and most phenomenal songs ever written - easily as good as anything by renowned riffmasters Black Sabbath or Deep Purple. My worry when an album starts out with such a knockout track is that the only way may be down for the rest of the material; this is not the case with this album, which starts as it means to continue - with beautiful keyboard melodies, well-defined and original guitar riffs, and the soulful, majestic power of Dave Hill's voice. It is a concept album and pretty diverse in places, very loud in the mix and a great lyric. The album came in a gatefold sleeve with booklet inside. I played it to death, in the end I had to buy 2 copies cos I'd worn it out. 3 if you include the picture disc (still unplayed) Geez, I've never heard of this. I'm a big Sabbath/ Purple fan so I should like this? |
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Post by Ginnie on Nov 25, 2009 23:26:37 GMT
David Bowie - Diamond Dogs
This is a hard one for me to qualify - I'm trying to think of something revolutionary that happened on this but...
This was the first "album" I ever bought, maybe that makes it kind of special. But I remember being mesmerized by the cover by Guy Peellaert.
Part of it too was Bowie's voice, like he tuned it down an octave - so different from anything else he had done.
And this album starts off with that spooky Future Legend but then turns Rolling Stonish with Diamond Dogs... the rest of the album is really superb, especially my faves Sweet Thing (and the middle Candidate part), Rock'n Roll with Me and We Are the Dead. Oh, and 1984. There just seems to be such an atmosphere on this album that is so irresistable. And Bowies sax playing, is so... weird and different. He plays Sax like Lennon plays guitar.
Its funny that Rebel Rebel is the best know song from this, when I like the others even more (except for Diamond Dogs which I find pretty standard).
I know people who didn't even like it at all and if I remember right it didn't get really good reviews. I've heard that Sarge likes this album.
Diamond Dogs really impressed me, and still does.
Matter of fact I'm listening to it right now.
Track Listing:
1. "Future Legend"
"Bewitched, Bothered and Bewildered"
2. "Diamond Dogs"
3. "Sweet Thing"
4. "Candidate"
5. "Sweet Thing (reprise)"
6. "Rebel Rebel"
7. "Rock 'n' Roll with Me"
8. "We Are the Dead"
9. "1984"
10. "Big Brother"
11. "Chant of the Ever Circling Skeletal Family"
I don't remember listening to anything like this before:
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Post by tubepigeonvictim on Nov 26, 2009 1:35:53 GMT
John Kongos - Kongos.
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Post by victor55 on Nov 26, 2009 4:57:13 GMT
Hendrix- still being "done"
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Post by craigiedee on Nov 26, 2009 8:41:50 GMT
Some canny lists there mind Ginnie !!!
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Post by platterpete on Nov 26, 2009 15:31:39 GMT
For me it has to be Demon's The Plague. I had never heard anything by them and then one Friday Rock Show Tommy Vance played a couple of tracks. I bought it the next day. when the dark menace of the opening riff blasted from my speakers, every hair on my body stood on end. It still happens today when I listen to that track at high volume. Quite honestly, it is one of the heaviest and most phenomenal songs ever written - easily as good as anything by renowned riffmasters Black Sabbath or Deep Purple. My worry when an album starts out with such a knockout track is that the only way may be down for the rest of the material; this is not the case with this album, which starts as it means to continue - with beautiful keyboard melodies, well-defined and original guitar riffs, and the soulful, majestic power of Dave Hill's voice. It is a concept album and pretty diverse in places, very loud in the mix and a great lyric. The album came in a gatefold sleeve with booklet inside. I played it to death, in the end I had to buy 2 copies cos I'd worn it out. 3 if you include the picture disc (still unplayed) Geez, I've never heard of this. I'm a big Sabbath/ Purple fan so I should like this? |
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Post by penny on Nov 26, 2009 19:06:50 GMT
For me, probably QUEEN II, in 1974 - an almost insane leap in songwriting and playing skills from their debut. To my ears, that album provided the basic roadmap for their entire glorious career. From being derided as Led Zep copyists, Queen carved their own niche in one fell swoop with this album, to my ears. I agree wholeheartedly with this Ian!  |
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Post by bluesrider on Nov 26, 2009 19:31:59 GMT
When tubular bells was first released in 1951 by Mike Olfield snr the sales were very poor indeed.
20 odd years later when his son Mike Olfield re released the album the level of skill involved was still way ahead of its time but it did a tad better on the sales side.
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Post by Ginnie on Nov 26, 2009 20:31:05 GMT
When tubular bells was first released in 1951 by Mike Olfield snr the sales were very poor indeed. 20 odd years later when his son Mike Olfield re released the album the level of skill involved was still way ahead of its time but it did a tad better on the sales side. C'mon, you're putting us on...  |
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Post by Ginnie on Nov 26, 2009 20:32:33 GMT
Some canny lists there mind Ginnie !!! I don't do lists anymore, Craig. I even forget what a list is. Lists don't exist. What colour is a list? I do have a slight lisp. Is that what you're goin' on about? |
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Post by bluesrider on Nov 26, 2009 20:42:37 GMT
When tubular bells was first released in 1951 by Mike Olfield snr the sales were very poor indeed. 20 odd years later when his son Mike Olfield re released the album the level of skill involved was still way ahead of its time but it did a tad better on the sales side. C'mon, you're putting us on... Course I am Ginnie it wasnt his Dad it was his Uncle Mortimer ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by Ginnie on Nov 28, 2009 0:13:18 GMT
C'mon, you're putting us on... Course I am Ginnie it wasnt his Dad it was his Uncle Mortimer ;D ;D ;D Oh yeah, Uncle Mortimer's Rockabilly Avant Garde Jug Band... |
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Post by platterpete on Nov 28, 2009 13:42:54 GMT
Another album that was ahead of its time has to be Def Leppaerd' Hysteria. The production on that album was awsome.
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Post by Ginnie on Nov 28, 2009 14:11:02 GMT
Another album that was ahead of its time has to be Def Leppaerd' Hysteria. The production on that album was awsome. I gotta admit I listened to this one when it came out - I did find it "different" from the rest of the quasi-metal bands. |
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Post by bluesrider on Nov 28, 2009 16:36:36 GMT
Another album that was ahead of its time has to be Def Leppaerd' Hysteria. The production on that album was awsome. Only Def Leppard Ive bought so Ill have to agree with Pete rest is shite mind |
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Post by platterpete on Nov 28, 2009 16:44:20 GMT
Another album that was ahead of its time has to be Def Leppaerd' Hysteria. The production on that album was awsome. Only Def Leppard Ive bought so Ill have to agree with Pete rest is shite mind This comment also relates to the Demon album, I have never heard anything else by them except for The Plague. I think that I was afraid that they had peaked on this one and nothing else would be anywhere near it. |
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Post by platterpete on Nov 28, 2009 16:47:50 GMT
I know somebody who's only heard Owner of a Broken Heart and the Open Your Eyes album by Yes. (Obviously he has heard loads of stuff by other artists, but nothing else by Yes) Can you imagine the misconception there?
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Post by Ginnie on Nov 28, 2009 17:39:39 GMT
I know somebody who's only heard Owner of a Broken Heart and the Open Your Eyes album by Yes. (Obviously he has heard loads of stuff by other artists, but nothing else by Yes) Can you imagine the misconception there? Yes indeed! Recomend the three LP Live Yessongs! |
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Post by sergeantfury on Nov 28, 2009 19:27:31 GMT
I know somebody who's only heard Owner of a Broken Heart and the Open Your Eyes album by Yes. (Obviously he has heard loads of stuff by other artists, but nothing else by Yes) Can you imagine the misconception there? Yes indeed! Recomend the three LP Live Yessongs! Going for the one is the best studio album for me with Close to the edge 2nd. |
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Post by sergeantfury on Nov 28, 2009 19:30:44 GMT
Another album that was ahead of its time has to be Def Leppaerd' Hysteria. The production on that album was awsome. Part of that was forced on them by the accident Rick Allen was involved in which forced them/him to use electronic drums (unusual for a rock band at that time) which obviously changed the whole dynamic/sound of the band, plus it took them years to record it. |
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